Prabhupāda: This prayer for Govinda is from Brahma-saṁhitā. It is very old literature, and nobody can say when it was spoken, but it is understood that these verses were written by Brahmā, and when Lord Caitanya was traveling in South India He picked up this book from a temple, hand-written, and He delivered to His devotees. So, it is very authorized book. In this book the description of Kṛṣṇa is very vivid, vividly given. There His place, His activities, His form, everything is there nicely given. So, this, this verse, it is, it is not first verse. This is the 34th verse of the Fifth Chapter. Cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-lakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam. That, that place, cintāmaṇi … Cintāmaṇi, a stone. In the transcendental world the, as we have got experience here, the houses are made of bricks, there the houses are made of cintāmaṇi stone. The cintāmaṇi stone is…, of course there is no exact translation, but it is understood it is something like touchstone. Touchstone means the stone which if it touches a iron, it transforms into gold.

Prabhupāda: [chants maṅgalācaraṇa prayers then—aside:] Where is my spectacle? [pause] Many thousands of years before, Ṛṣabhadeva… He is accepted as the incarnation of Godhead, king or emperor of the world. He instructed His sons. He had one hundred sons, and He was… Before retiring from His family life, He wanted to install His eldest son, Mahārāja Bharata, on the throne. And before retiring He was instructing His other sons as follows. Mahārāja Bharata was a great king, and after his name, India is called Bhāratavarṣa. This planet is…, was known before that as Ilāvṛtavarṣa, and after Mahārāja Bharata ruled, this planet was known as Bhāratavarṣa. Gradually, the planet was divided into so many other states. Now Bhāratavarṣa means a small piece of land known as India.

Prabhupāda: The basic principle of spiritual understanding. The basic principle of spiritual understanding is to know the spirit soul first of all. What is that spirit soul? That spirit soul is within this body. Dehinaḥ asmin dehe. Asmin, this, asmin means this, and dehe means the body. Asmin dehe, in this body there is spirit soul who is called dehī. Dehī means one who possesses this body. Just like your coat, your shirt, you possess this coat and shirt. Not that you are the coat and the shirt. Try to understand clearly. This is my shirt, I am not this. I am different. I am within the shirt. Similarly, this body, this is gross coat. Just like you, when you put on your dress, you have one underwear, shirt, and then over that shirt there is coat. It is very easy to understand, there is no difficulty. Similarly, the spirit soul is within this coat and shirt. What is this coat? This gross body. There are five…, eight material elements: earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence, and ego. These are eight material elements. And out of these eight, gross elements we can see or perceive with your material senses. I can touch this earth; I can taste the water; I can smell the air; I can feel the sky; in this way. These are gross. And still there are finer elements, just like mind. Everyone of us knows that there is a mind, but we cannot see it. What is that mind? Everyone knows that there is intelligence, but nobody can see what is that intelligence. Similarly, everyone ...

Now here is one significant factor. The Suta Gosvāmī, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, he is addressing a king, rājendra. Formerly, that was the system. The saintly persons, learned brāhmaṇas and sages, they would give instruction to the kings because the king was in charge of the public affairs. So they would take instruction from the learned and by their direction, they would rule over the citizens. This is the division of four orders of life: brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra. The brāhmaṇa means the most intelligent class of men in the society. Kṣatriya means the administrators, the politicians, the rulers of the society. Vaiśya means the productive class, traders, industrialists, those who are producing money or food, vaiśya. And śūdra means ordinary workers. That is the Vedic social system. And in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ, “The social order, the brāhmaṇa, the kṣatriya, the vaiśya, and the śūdra, they are created by Me.” So anything created by God is present everywhere within the universe. So point is that don’t think that the brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, these divisions of society are in India only, no. Everywhere. Everywhere there are men who are very intelligent. They are supposed to be brāhmaṇa class. Then less, the politicians, the rulers, kṣatriya class. Then less, the traders, industrialists, they are vaiśyas. And the ordinary workers, they are śūdras. ...

You may be industrial administrator, you may be engineer, you may be something else, but you make your profession perfect. And that perfection is achieved by satisfying the Supreme Personality of Godhead by your profession. Just like Arjuna: He was a soldier. He knew how to fight. So by his profession he satisfied Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa wanted that there should be fight between the Kurus and the Pāṇḍavas for right cause. And Kṛṣṇa came—paritrāṇāya sādhunaṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtam. He had two business: to give protection to the devotees and to kill the demons. So by Kṛṣṇa’s will sometimes all the demons, they come together and fight with one another and they are killed. So Battle of Kurukṣetra was such a plan to bring all the demons together and engage them in fighting and kill one another. Just like in our schooldays, unruly boys, one boy will be asked to catch the other boy by the ear and the same boy will be asked to catch this boy by the ear, and they are pulling each other—competition of pulling the ears. So Arjuna was fighter, and he helped Kṛṣṇa in this fighting activities, and thus he became a great devotee. Kṛṣṇa certified, bhakto ‘si priyo ‘si: “You are My dear, very dear friend and devotee.”

Prabhupāda: God and we living entities all of us are persons, individual persons [indistinct]. So all of us living entities person-to-person, God is the supreme person and the living entities are, just like in a family the head of the family is the father. He is the head all others, the wife, the children, the servants, they are all subordinate. Similarly God the supreme father he’s the principal head of the entire family and all others subordinate, eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān. The singular number person God is supplying the necessities of all others. This is Vedic knowledge, nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān, the Upaniṣads. So our bhakta philosophy is we are all individuals. God is individual and we are all individuals we live together and along with the supreme person we also enjoy. Just like the gopīs are dancing with Kṛṣṇa, that is the highest perfection. To keep your individuality and dance with the supreme individual person, association.

Satsvarūpa: Some of the children are 10 years old but we have been being very strict because they are loose in their behaviour. They cannot be initiated until they are chanting 16 rounds, trying to be very strict with that but they see that others are being initiated quickly. They saw the initiation today some of the 10-year-old boys. We want the parents to initiate, “why, why can I can I be initiated?” Prabhupāda: Then they can be initiated. Satsvarūpa: [indistinct] Prabhupāda: 10 years, 10 years they can be initiated… Why not 10 years? Satsvarūpa: As long as. Unless they be chanting 16 rounds? Prabhupāda: Must. Satsvarūpa: Then they can be and in the morning. Prabhupāda: Then how they are being initiated? If they cannot. Satsvarūpa: I mean, our children are at gurukula. Prabhupāda: 10 years old boy cannot chant 16 rounds? Satsvarūpa: That has, that has been our past mistakes [indistinct]. Now it has been disciplinary should be [indistinct] Prabhupāda: Hm. It requires some rituals, just like in the morning if you sit down and chant they should also sit down and chant. 16 rounds must be finished.

Prabhupāda: So we have explained yesterday, buddhi-yoga. Buddhi-yoga means bhakti-yoga. So, svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate mahato bhayāt. Bhakti-yoga, begun, some way or other, it has got great effect. There is story that in the Deity room, a lamp was burning. You know oil lamp has to be watched. Sometimes the wick has to be pushed. So the lamp was almost going to be extinguished. In the meantime, a rat came there. He thought that it is something eatable. So he touched with mouth the wick, and it became pushed. Simply by that action he got salvation. Just try to understand. Because he gave some service to the Deity. So there are many instances. Svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate mahato bhayāt. Kṛṣṇa consciousness business is so nice that whatever you do sincerely, it will never be lost. Permanent. Either you execute one percent, two percent, fifty percent. If you can finish hundred percent, then next life, sure you are going to Kṛṣṇa. But even if you are unable to finish the whole course, still, whatever you have done, that is permanent credit. That will never be lost.

He was imparting knowledge to His son, He says, “Son, this human life, this should not be like a hog’s life.” What does a hog do? He works hard the whole day to eat stool and when his body is fat and juicy he enjoys sex with the opposite sex without any discrimination. The human life is not meant to be like this. What is it for? Tapo, to do tapasya and why the austerities? Divyam, to get connected with the Lord. Otherwise, Hirayakasipu, performed a lot of austerities, Rāvaa performed a lot of austerities, for sense gratification. Not that kind of austerity. tapo divya, yena suddhyet sattvam—austerity should be performed for the Lord in such a way that our existence is purified. Are we impure now, I have had a bath now! No this bath is not purifying. It will be purified when we are freed from the entanglement of birth, death, old age and disease. That is purity! This contamination, bhûtvā bhûtvā praliyate, we take birth, that ends and then we have to take birth again. This, what is the reason? Impure! Otherwise the living entity is part and parcel of the Supersoul, na hanyate hanyamāne sarire. Just like the Lord says, ajo ‘pi, “I am unborn.” Similarly the living entity because he is part and parcel of Krishna should also be unborn. But why is he born? Impure! Existence is not pure. To purify the existence, our Vedic civilization is only for purifying the existence, nothing else! Nowadays everything is topsy turvy. But our attempt is, this Krishna consciousness ...

Prabhupāda: This is called hog life, how to maintain this body. Kaṣṭan kāmān. Kāmān means necessities of life. Very, with great difficulty… Kaṣṭan kāmān. [break] Kaṣṭan kāmān. Life can be easily maintained by agriculture and cow protection. No. They will start big, big mills, factories, motor tires, cars, instruments. Kaṣṭan kāmān. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is called ugra-karma, fierce… [aside:] Hare Kṛṣṇa. Fierceful activities. Vraja-vāsī: Haribol! Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Kaṣṭan kāmān. Unnecessarily creating problems. [break] …one after another, one after another. Formerly paper was used only for Vedic knowledge. Now the paper used for so many useless newspaper, volumes and volumes and jasusi[?], unnecessarily creating agitation of the mind. And if you explain these things they will say, “This is all primitive ideas.” Modern ideas means one must work very hard day and night to get a little piece of cāpāṭi. Hmm? What is the answer? Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: If we don’t work hard they say, “You are a burden on society.” Prabhupāda: Hmm? Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: If a person doesn’t work hard day and night, they say, “You are just living on society.” Prabhupāda: That I am explaining. The day and night is that pig is working. That I am explaining. Then what is the difference between the pig and me if I am also working hard like that pig? Huh? Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: There’s no difference.

So the Viṣṇudūtas, they are instructing the Yamadūtas. They are authorized person. These Viṣṇudūta, they are authorized persons. They are not ordinary person. They are coming from Vaikuṇṭha. Just like Nārada Muni comes from higher planetary system, Vaikuṇṭhaloka. He is called deva-ṛṣi. He travels all over the universes, material and spiritual. He has got special concession. Sometimes… [child making noise—Hindi] Sometimes we have got information the yogīs, they can also travel not only within this material universe but in the spiritual. The instance of… [child making noise] Durvāsā Muni. Durvāsā Muni, when he committed offense at the feet of Mahārāja Ambarīṣa… Mahārāja Ambarīṣa was a gṛhastha, a kṣatriya and king. He had to rule over the kingdom. But because he was devotee, he was very respectful. So Durvāsā Muni, he was a great yogī. He became very much envious of this king, Ambarīṣa Mahārāja, that “He is ordinary gṛhastha, dealing with politics, and I am a great yogī, known all over the universe, and he is more respected than me?” So he wanted to punish him to show him his yogic power. Sometimes the yogīs, they get some power and misuse it for personal sense gratification. That is the pitfall of yogic perfection. Aiye. When one gets little power he misuses it and thereby falls down. So this Durvāsā Muni also, what to speak of other paltry yogīs, even Durvāsā Muni, he became envious.

Prabhupāda: Andhra. Hmm. “Dear Sai Baba, just recently in the Blitz paper, published on”—give the date—“we are surprised to find one article, ‘God is an Indian,’ and you have claimed to become an incarnation of God to save the human society. What is the ground of your claiming as incarnation? And what you have done to save the human society? Will you explain for enlightenment of us? Or many of us? We have got the list of incarnations recorded in the Vedic scriptures and their respective activities also. So where is that record in the Vedic scripture about your appearing as incarnation? Lord Kṛṣṇa’s incarnation is fully described in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam…” Lord Kṛṣṇa’s incarnationship, or [indistinct]. What it should be? Pradyumna: Lord Kṛṣṇa’s incarnation… Prabhupāda: There may be so many, but I mean to say Lord Kṛṣṇa is incarnation, so avatāratva. So what is the English, avatāratva? Pradyumna: The incarnation-ness, or quality of being an incarnation. But that is not… The quality of being an incarnation is not… The most literal is incarnation-ness. Prabhupāda: Therefore say that. “Lord Kṛṣṇa’s incarnation-ness is fully described in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Similarly, Lord Rāmacandra’s incarnation-ness or Lord Buddha’s incarnation-ness, Lord Caitanya’s incarnation-ness, we have got full information in the Vedic literatures.”

So when the mother understood that her sons were killed, certainly she was very, very unhappy. Mātā śiśūnāṁ nidhanaṁ sutānāṁ niśamya ghoraṁ paritapyamānā. Lamenting. That is natural. So tadārudad vāṣpa-kalākulākṣī. With tears, she was crying, and tāṁ sāntvayan, pacifying, āha kirīṭamālī. Kirīṭamālī is Arjuna. So they were directly connected with Kṛṣṇa. Draupadī’s another name is Kṛṣṇā. And still they had to suffer the material pangs. Not that because one is Kṛṣṇa conscious there will be no material suffering. Actually, those who are Kṛṣṇa conscious, they have no material suffering. Although it appears that they are suffering, they are not suffering. They can accept any so-called suffering and accept it as mercy of Kṛṣṇa. They never take it as suffering. Tat te ‘nukampāṁ su-samīkṣamāṇo bhuñjāna evātma-kṛtaṁ vipākam. A devotee, when he’s in suffering, so-called suffering, he accepts it as the mercy of Kṛṣṇa. Tat te ‘nukampām. And he rather thanks Kṛṣṇa, that “I had to suffer many more times, but You have minimized it, giving me little suffering. So it is Your mercy.” And if anyone lives on that attitude, everything taken as Kṛṣṇa’s mercy, then he is guaranteed to go back home, back to Godhead. Mukti-pade sa dāya-bhāk. Dāya-bhāk means his going back to home, back to Godhead, is exactly like the inheritance of property by the son. Mukti-pade sa dāya-bhāk. ...