September 1

Prabhupāda: This name is not different from the original Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa. That is Absolute Truth. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa’s form—we are seeing here Kṛṣṇa’s form—it is not different from the original Personality of Kṛṣṇa. Or Kṛṣṇa’s pastimes—we hear about Kṛṣṇa’s pastimes from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Bhagavad-gītā—that subject matter is also not different from Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is absolute. Anything about Kṛṣṇa is Kṛṣṇa. It will be realized gradually. For the time being you have to take it for acceptance that “I am chanting the holy name of Kṛṣṇa. This means that Kṛṣṇa is personally present on my tongue. Therefore I am in direct touch with Kṛṣṇa.” And we should be very careful so that we may not…, offense, commit offenses, as they are being described.

Prabhupāda: All these descriptions are required to understand Kṛṣṇa; otherwise these false philosopher and scientist, they take Kṛṣṇa as ordinary human being, anthropomorphism, that they consider that Kṛṣṇa is ordinary man, but some people have accepted Him on account of His some…, uncommon activities, accepted Him as God. That is called anthropomorphism. So to nullify this argument of anthropomorphism so many descriptions about Kṛṣṇa is given here. We are accepting Kṛṣṇa, not by sentiment that we have accepted some human being as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. These are the symptoms described by the demigods. So we should carefully hear.

Prabhupāda: So simply by vibration the atmosphere will be cleansed and purified. Just like when there is thundering sound in the sky, it does not require to understand by any particular language. That very vibration… And the origin of creation is sound. The grosser elements are visible, but the creation takes place from finer elements. The sound is the symptom of the sky. By sound we can understand that there is sky, ether. Then, by sound vibration, there is circulation of air. And you have got practical experience, when there is very loud sound vibration, sometimes there is very strong wind also. So by sound vibration, the wind is started, and by strong wind, electricity is produced. From electricity, water is produced, perspiration. And from water, earth is produced. So sound is the original element of creation. In Sanskrit language it is called śabda-brahma. Brahman, or the Absolute Truth, is…, first appears… Absolute Truth becomes knowable by sound. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said—the Lord says—raso ‘ham apsu kaunteya prabhāsmi śaśi-sūryayoḥ, śabdaḥ khe. Śabda means sound.

Prabhupāda: Sva means “own,” and dharmam means “occupation.” Dharma means occupation and sva means own. Sva-dharmam: “one’s own occupation.” So according to Vedic civilization, everyone has his own sva-dharma. This has been misinterpreted by the rascals: “Sva-dharma means anyone can discover his own religious principle. Yato mata tato patha. Whatever you think is religious principle, that’s all right.” This is going on. But that is not the meaning. Sva-dharma means own occupation. Actually, dharma means which you cannot give up. Dhṛ-dhātu manu[?]. You have to capture it; to keep your existence you must capture it. So because we have got body and soul, two different things… We are combination, body and soul. That is already explained very nicely in so many ways. So actually, sva-dharma means the occupation of the soul. Because in the material condition we do not understand what I am—whether I am this body or I am soul. Mostly people they do not know that one is soul, not this body. Body is the dress, or outward covering, external covering. Subtle covering and gross covering. But so long one is in the bodily concept of life, so one has got different occupational duty according to the conception of the body. So the nature is being conducted by three modes of nature. Therefore, according to one’s nature there is occupational duty. That is scientific division. At the present moment there is no such division. Therefore gradually people are degrading to ...

Prabhupāda: …that there is no brain behind this creation. How foolish they are. Peter: Yes. Prabhupāda: There is no brain in this artistic work. And how wonderfully, because it is automatically coming, artist. Anything you take, flower. So, without brain how this thing can happen? But these rascals, they do not understand. They say “nature.” What is this nature? Nature is an instrument, but the brain is God. Just like you paint a flower with the brush. The brush is not the creator of that painting; you are creator. Similarly, it appears that it is happening naturally. Nature is only brush, but the brain is God.

Prabhupāda: So you can test. Just like if you are eating, you can understand how much you are getting strength, how much you are satisfied. You haven’t got to ask anybody. Similarly, if you are actually engaged in religious principles, the test is how much you are detached from material attraction and how much you are attached to God. This is the test. Anyone can see whether I am increasing my attachment for dog or whether I am increasing my attachment for God. That’s all. This is test. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt. That is bhakti. Bhakti means God-realization. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti: “One can understand Me only through bhakti.” So that is first-class religion, bhakti. So if you have got bhakti, then you will realize God daily, every moment. That is real understanding. So by becoming a follower of [indistinct] Thakur, whether we have developed that Kṛṣṇa consciousness or not, that is the test. But how can I say? It is up to you. That is up to you.

Prabhupāda: They make analysis: “This is good; this is bad.” The whole thing is bad, they do not understand. Dvaite bhadrābhadra sakale samana, ei bhala ei manda saba manodharma. A mental concoction we analyze: “This is good; this is…” And because the whole population is such rascals, therefore we see whole world they are creating government, they are making this advancement, taking… Everything is spoiled. That they do not understand, that “We have tried so far, scientifically, and this way and that way. Why there are so many things disturbing and miserable?” The whole policy is to give you trouble. That is the material nature. You must be always in trouble—ādhyātmika, ādhibhautika. “No.” They will say, “No, this trouble is better than that trouble.” [laughter] This is the… “This trouble is better than that trouble.” Hare Kṛṣṇa. This Dr. Ghosh, he said… When he was student in Calcutta he was doctor of tropical medicine. So one English doctor was his professor, Colonel Mellar[?]. So he was lecturing and… Now the friends have come to greet. He said that “In our country seventy-five percent, at least, students are infected with syphilis.”

So, after seeing the woman, he was meditating always, twenty-four hour, about the subject, lusty desires. Kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ [Bg. 7.20]. When one becomes lusty, then one becomes lost of all intelligence. The whole world is going on on the basis of these lusty desires. This is material world. And because I am lusty, you are lusty, every one of us, so as soon as my desires are not fulfilled, your desires are not fulfilled, then I become your enemy, you become my enemy. I cannot see you are making very good progress; you cannot see me making very good progress. This is material world: envious, lusty desires, kāma, krodha, lobha, moha, mātsarya. This is the basis of this material world.

Prabhupāda: …required to kill somebody, he’ll do that—if it is required for his sense gratification. There are many instances that a woman is addicted to another man, and she has killed her husband, killed her son. Why? Sense gratification. I have seen one woman, my Godbrother’s wife, she killed her son for being implicated with another man. I have seen it. Nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma. Things which are not to be done, they do it. Why? For the matter of sense gratification. They do it. That’s a fact. So therefore simply for sense gratification they are prepared to do anything. That means pāpa. It is the verdict of the court that when a man kills another man he becomes mad. Without becoming mad, a man cannot kill another man. So everything is being done which is not sanctioned because for sense gratification. The whole world business is sense gratification. And at the end, when he’s little spiritually inclined, he wants to satisfy senses by thinking artificially that “I shall become God.” That is the greatest sense gratification. Because remaining a small living entity I have been hampered in my sense gratification. Now let me become God so that there will be no restriction of my sense gratification. Bhagavān [indistinct]. Because he has failed to satisfy his senses remaining non-Bhagavān, now he wants to become Bhagavān. Yogī, that is also another sense gratification, that if I show some magic, if I can create little gold like this, hundreds and thousands ...