Prabhupāda: [chants maṅgalācaraṇa prayers] Ladies and gentlemen, this Kṛṣṇa conscious movement is reviving our original consciousness. At the present moment, due to our long association with matter, the consciousness has become contaminated, just like when the rain water falls down from the cloud, the water is uncontaminated, distilled water, pure, but as soon as the water falls down on this earth, it becomes mixed up with so many dirty things. When the water falls it is not salty, but when it is touched with the matter or earth, it becomes salty, or tasty, or something like that. Similarly, originally, as spirit soul, our consciousness is uncontaminated, but due to our association with the matter at the present moment, our consciousness is contaminated. Therefore we have got so many varieties of consciousness. Disagreements between one person to another is due to this contaminated consciousness. I think some way; you think otherwise. Therefore we do not agree. But originally, your consciousness and my consciousness were one. And what is that one? That conscious, pure consciousness, is “God is great, and I am His eternal servant.” That is pure consciousness. As soon as we want to imitate or artificially want to become one with God, immediately the contamination begins. There is a Bengali verse in which it is stated that,

Prabhupāda: …past misdeeds, and this man cuts your hand, he creates another misdeed. In this way we become bound up by one deed after another. Karma-bandhanaḥ. Śyāmasundara: So by this tampering of bodies they’ll become more and more entangled. Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. First of all whether that… will be able to do so [indistinct]. And even they are able too… Śyāmasundara: They’ve already done some…, made some progress like that. Prabhupāda: What is that progress? They cannot create even an ant. Śyāmasundara: No, like changing the chromosomes and gene structures they’ve mutated bodies. Just like there was a…, few years back there was a drug called Thalidomide, which was given widely to pregnant women. It was supposed to help them, but it turns out that it mutated many babies. It changed the cell structure in the womb, and they all came out without any limbs—born without arms and legs. Prabhupāda: That much harm they can do. That’s all. Without arms and legs they would come? Śyāmasundara: It was a mistake. They created some drug which made babies being born without arms and legs. So they will be able to change bodies, that’s… Prabhupāda: But change bodies cannot, because we have several times explained, that after sex the two kinds of secretion, they mix and emulsify, and it forms into a body like a pea. Then the pea grows. Now by medicinal process you can stop growing the hands and legs.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Just like if you are passing through thorns, you must be very careful. Otherwise the thorns will be stuck up with your garment, and you will be inconvenient. It is said in the Vedas, kṣurasya dhārā niśitā duratyayā. Just like we shave with razor. Razor is very sharp. So if we can carefully handle the razor, we get our cheeks very cleansed, that business is done. But little inattention, immediately cut, and there will be blood. Little inattention. That example is given. Kṣurasya dhārā niśitā duratyayā durgaṁ pathas tat kavayo vadanti. The path of salvation is very difficult. Just like we are trying to go back to home, back to Godhead, Kṛṣṇa. The path is very difficult. Kṣurasya dhārā niśitā duratyayā durgam. Durgam means very difficult to pass over. But little attention will save you. Little attention, that “I am passing through very dangerous way, so I must be very careful.” So our attention should always be how we are executing our spiritual life. That is very simple. We observe strictly the regulative principles and chant sixteen rounds minimum. That will save us. But if we become inattentive to these principles, then there is chance of being pricked by the thorns. There are so many thorns all over. Or the same example: kṣurasya dhārā. You shave, make your face very cleansed, but little inattention, immediately produce blood. We shall be very careful.

Prabhupāda: This is very important verse, the king’s duty and how a king is recognized. The first recognition was made by Dhṛtarāṣṭra, his uncle. Why? Because there was fight between two section of cousin-brothers, the Pāṇḍavas and the Kauravas. So the Kauravas were all killed. The Pāṇḍavas also, except the five brothers, their sons were all killed. So it is not that by force… There was force, but it was dharma-yuddha. Kṣatriyas, they would claim by strength, by fight, not by high-court judgment. By strength, by bodily strength. So the Pāṇḍavas proved their bodily strength, and Dhṛtarāṣṭra was under the impression that because actually the kingdom belonged to him, but on account of his becoming blind, he could not inherit on the throne. Defective in the body. A king should be all complete. So not a blind man can be king. That is not possible. So after the death of his younger brother Pāṇḍu, he thought actually the kingdom belonged to him. Now, after the death of his brother, his sons should inherit. That was the political conspiracy of the Battle of Kurukṣetra. Now everything finished, decided by the battle, Dhṛtarāṣṭra accepted, “Yes, my dear nephews, you can become king now. We have tried our strength, and you have come out victorious. Therefore I also confirm that you become king.” It is said, pitrā cānumataḥ. Not that against the will of Dhṛtarāṣṭra, Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira accepted the throne. No. He took permission: “My dear uncle, now you decide whether we shall become king or you shall remain king.” So he said, “No, you become king. Now your right is confirmed.”

Prabhupāda: The democracy also is described, in Kali-yuga. Satsvarūpa: Eleventh Canto? Prabhupāda: In Twelfth Canto. [pause] [break] …it is stated, tasmāt kṣudra-dṛśo martyāḥ kṣudra-bhāgyā mahāśanāḥ kāmino vitta-hīnāś ca svairiṇyaś ca striyo ‘satīḥ “Gradually people will become dwarf, will die very soon, mostly unfortunate, eating too much, and very much sexually agitated, no money, and independent, and the women, all unchaste.” Just see. Everything’s coming true. Rājan…, rājānaś ca prajā-bhakṣāḥ śiśnodara-parā dvijāḥ dasyūtkṛṣṭā janapadā vedāḥ pāṣaṇḍa-dūṣitāḥ “The cities will be full of rogues and thieves.” Just see. Yogeśvara: That’s Paris. Prabhupāda: Anywhere. In Calcutta recently it was dangerous to go out because the next… You do not know whether you’ll come back. People are so afraid. He’s going to work in the office. It will be God’s grace if he returns back. It is such a city. Actually so happened. We were sitting, I was at that time in a… I was guest in our Life Member’s. Sitting in morning, at ten o’clock. “Oh, that gentleman is killed.” He was very important businessman. He went to the temple, a Marwari, and on his coming back, he was killed from the back side. Life is still so, but it is little diminished. [break] …about so-called saintly persons, they are tapasvino grāma-vāsāḥ: “The so-called yogīs, they’ll live in the town.” [chuckles] Actually, the yogīs have no business in the town. They should go to a secluded place. But they will live in… Just like the other… He’s living in Paris City, and he’s a yogī. Yogeśvara: This is all from the Twelfth Canto? Prabhupāda: Yes. Foretold, five thousand years ago. Here said, tapasvino grāma-vāsā nyāsino ‘tyartha-lolupāḥ: “And the sannyāsīs, they’ll be too much greedy about money.”

Prabhupāda: That is… When we pray, offer pray, it is stated that that is his, one of the qualification. Sada… Nindasi. Nindasi yajña-vidher. The animal sacrifice is recommended—some of the sacrifices or all of them… So that animal sacrifice was not meant for eating; just to give them new, rejuvenated life by the Vedic mantras, to test that whether Vedic mantras are being chanted properly. And because at the Kali-yuga there is no such expert brāhmaṇa, all sacrifices are forbidden. So later on, as they deteriorated, they began to offer sacrifices, and if anyone wants to stop it, they will say, “Oh, it is recommended in the Vedas.” Just like these rascals, Christian: “Oh, Christ ate fish. Therefore we must maintain slaughterhouse.” Just see how rascal they are. Supposing Christ ate somewhere fish, therefore they would maintain regularly slaughterhouse of cows. Just see their brain.

So there is a stage which is called paramahaṁsa stage. At that time, one is not very strictly following the regulative principles. Not that they’re not following, but they’re above all regulative principles. But we should not imitate that, that “Now we have become paramahaṁsa and we can neglect all regulative principles.” No. The paramahaṁsa stage is described here. If you simply imitate, that “Now I have become paramahaṁsa, I do not require to follow rules and regulation…” But you must prove that you are paramahaṁsa.

Prabhupāda: They understood. Because when Kaṁsa was baffled in killing the children of his sister, he regretted that “I have killed so many children of you, my dear sister. I am awaiting the most abominable hellish conditions.” He admitted. [break] Ambarīṣa: …don’t know what good and bad is. They think if you don’t kill anybody that you will go to heaven. I mean any human being. Siddha-svarūpa: But they think that this is only one? They do accept that there’s life after this life and that they will live either in heavenly planets… Prabhupāda: Otherwise, what is the meaning of going to God? They believe it. Siddha-svarūpa: Yes. Prabhupāda: What is, the Bible says, “Come to kingdom of God”? Siddha-svarūpa: Yes. Prabhupāda: So if you have no next life, how you are going to there? Siddha-svarūpa: Yes. They accept another life. Prabhupāda: Then that is… Another life means soul. Siddha-svarūpa: Yes. Prabhupāda: They have no clear knowledge. That is their… [break] Siddha-svarūpa: They are called Mormons. They have very big temples. They build very big temples still. Prabhupāda: Oh. Is there any Deity?

Prabhupāda: They will not take. The teachers are also demons. They, they must be of ideal institution, ideal character to develop. If the teachers and the authority were actually sane men, then how things are happening like this? They do not have a… They are asuras. Practically they are saying that this is question of time. But they do not know how to rectify. They do not know. And if we suggest, they may not accept us, because they have no brain. Better to establish separate ideally. Example is better than precept. If you have got ideal example, that is better than you try to rectify them, because they have lost their brain even. They have no good brain substance. Lost. Just like the USA and the Chinese, they are condemning excessive sex life, and the Europeans particularly, sex life is simply there[?]. Actually, excessive sex life means slaughter.

Prabhupāda: …kaler doṣa-nidhe rājann… kaler doṣa-nidhe rājann asti hy eko mahān guṇaḥ After describing all the faults of Kali-yuga, Śukadeva Gosvāmī is saying, “My dear King, rājan, this Kali-yuga is full of faults just like the ocean.” Kaler doṣa-nidhe. Doṣa-nidhe means this ocean of faults. Doṣa-nidhe. kaler doṣa-nidhe rājann asti hy eko mahān guṇaḥ This is very nice verse. What is that? kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya mukta-saṅgaḥ paraṁ vrajet Simply by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa one can become free from all his contamination and go back to home, back to Godhead. This is the special advantage of Kali-yuga. This advantage is not… So if one has taken to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, chanting, then he is saved. Not only saved; he goes back to home, back to Godhead. Not only saved, but he is dispatched in another place, where there is no danger. Padaṁ padaṁ yad vipadāṁ na teṣām. One is transferred to the spiritual world, for them, this nonsense material world, where danger is there in every step, it is not for them. They cannot come. Just like here is epidemic, so a family is transferred to another place. So by this chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa will transfer to the safety place, go back to home, back to Godhead. It is so nice. Otherwise, you become victimized. You see?

Govinda dāsī: He is putting a garland on. Prabhupāda: Yes, just see. Govinda dāsī: He is putting a garland on. Prabhupāda: [indistinct]Garland. [pause] Govinda dāsī: Thank you very much, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa, jaya. [end]

Prabhupāda: So according to the order of the Supreme Lord or according to the order of the Lord’s representative. This is the position if one has learnt. But if he is talking nonsense, then he has got nothing. Then preaching is failure. That preaching is failure, and the student is also failure. So what is the use of wasting time like that? Actually we are talking about śāstra. The principle is that guru should explain the śāstra amongst the disciples, not outsiders. That is the principle. Because others will not understand. The guru is supposed to speak amongst his followers. That is the stricture: tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet. For learning, gurum eva, therefore guru is accepted. Unless you accept somebody as guru, then how can you learn from them? So actually the principle is guru speaks not to the outsiders but to the followers. Others may not understand. But if others, outsiders, come and also hear, then they will be profited. That advantage is given to them. But if they come and if they do not understand… Of course, sometimes we give them chance, but if he does not come to this position as Arjuna has come, then it is failure. But sometimes we give them the chance, outsiders: “All right you can [indistinct].” But unless you come to this position, kariṣye vacanaṁ tava, “Yes, I shall act only according to Your order,” then it will [indistinct]. That means he has not understood everything. He remains the same fool.

So last week we discussed Parīkṣit Mahārāja’s sympathy with the suffering humanity. This is Vaiṣṇava. The Vaiṣṇava, or devotee, he is the perfect sympathizer for all suffering humanity. Others’ sympathy is not perfect. They are planning so many things—opening hospitals or charitable dispensaries, schools, lunatic asylum. These are all public sympathetic activities. But they are not… They are, of course, good to some extent. If a man is suffering from the bodily ailments, if he is given some relief in the hospital, or if the society is not educated, give him education, this is all good work undoubtedly. But the ultimate good work is not known to them. They are taking care of the external symptoms. Why a person, a living entity, is put into that condition? And if that condition is ended, that is real sympathy. A person is suffering from some disease. He goes to the doctor, physician. He gives some medicine—immediate some relief from the pain. This is one sympathy. And there is another sympathy, that “Why the man is getting such disease and suffering? Why not stop the cause of the disease?” That is real sympathy.

Prabhupāda: Now you can discuss amongst yourselves whether you have approached such spiritual master. What is that? This purport? Jayādvaita: Read again? “Therefore it behooves one to approach a bona fide spiritual master who can give one proper guidance for executing the purpose of life. All Vedic literatures advise us to approach a bona fide spiritual master to get free from the perplexities of life, which happen without our desire.” Prabhupāda: So, whether you have approached such spiritual master, that you can discuss. This is the necessity of approaching a spiritual master. Jayādvaita: Necessity. Prabhupāda: Hmm. It must. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet. Jayādvaita: Śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham. Prabhupāda: Hmm. So, whether you have got such spiritual master who can guide you, proper guidance, what is stated there? Jayādvaita: What is stated next? Prabhupāda: No. Jayādvaita: Oh, whether we’ve got such a spiritual master? Prabhupāda: Yes. Jayādvaita: Oh, yes, because… Prabhupāda: That you have to discuss.

Prabhupāda: Go on with… You go on with your mantra. You can perform bathing ceremony. [chants Brahma-saṁhitā and Caitanya-caritāmṛta Ādi-līlā ślokas responsively for installation of Gaura-Nitāi Deities]

Prabhupāda: Today, there was one description, there is description, the fight was so severe that the blood sprinkled up to the sun planet. So why not moon planet? Why they say sun planet? The sun is the nearest planet from the earth. So this calculation… They say the sun planet is 93,000,000 miles away from earth. And if you add further 1,600,000 miles, it comes to about [indistinct] million miles. [indistinct] million miles, they have calculated, go there by the sputnik at the rate of 13,000 miles per hour. They said like that. [indistinct]. They went by sputnik. Ambarīṣa: They said they went fifteen million? Hari-śauri: No, according to our calculation… We agree with the figure 93,000,000, as approximate to the sun, but then our figure is 1,600,000 beyond it to the moon. Ambarīṣa: So how they can reach it in few days? Prabhupāda: What does [indistinct]? Ambarīṣa does not agree. [laughs] Ambarīṣa: No, I agree. I wonder where they went? I think they went somewhere. Maybe not. Hari-śauri: Prabhupāda said in Los Angeles it’s very easy to simulate these moon landing pictures in a movie so that they’re… Just like there are so many films now where they show this.

Prabhupāda: But material, that is temporary. This body—your body, my body, anyone’s body—that is temporary. It will not stay. It has taken birth at a certain date, it will endure for certain years, and then it will be finished. But the spirit, that will continue. It will accept another body. Just like we are accepting…, we are giving up our body, childhood body, accepting the body of a boy, then giving up the boyhood body, accepting the body of a young man. Similarly, this body… Just like I am an old man. This will be finished, and I will accept another body. So the spirit soul is eternal, and the body is temporary. So we are taking care of the body very much. That is also required. But what about the spirit soul? This education is lacking.

Prabhupāda: Svarūpa Dāmodara must be the best candidate. Others, what they’ll know about it? All other Ph.D.'s, they are simply rubberstamped. Actually they have no knowledge. Svarūpa Dāmodara has solid knowledge. He has learned from us. Therefore he’s writing all these books. He has rejected his so-called scientific knowledge. He has completely understood that so-called scientific knowledge is bogus; it has no solid background. Now he’s writing books on this. Now this morning, last night also, I got hint from Bhāgavatam. I told you in the morning? The sun planet is first. And nobody can reply this, that “Why Sunday first?” Nobody has replied this point. Sunday, Monday… First of all Sunday, then Monday. Why not Monday, Sunday? That is according to the planetary arrangement. The Saturn is the last planet. That is admitted in the Bhāgavatam. So sun is first, then moon, then Mars, then Jupiter, like that, last, Saturn. That is everywhere. So why the modern scientists changing it? The Monday first, or moon first, sun second. Hmm? What is your reply? You sometimes support them.

Prabhupāda: So, we have to teach people how to refrain from sinful activities. Then, when he’s pure, then God will reveal. If we keep them in sinful life, at the same time we want to preach them, it will not be possible. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is said that those who are animal killer, they cannot understand about God. Vinā paśughnāt [SB 10.1.4]. So if in the human society unnecessary animal killing is encouraged, he will never be able to understand what is God. The greatest sinful activity, paśu-ghnāt. So in human society, unnecessarily the animal killing is going on. So they are entangled in sinful activities; therefore they are unable to understand what is God.

So ignorance, a very good example is given here, that in dream we forget everything, that “I am Mr. Such-and-such, I am inhabitant of such and such place”—everything forgotten. And again when we are awakened, we forget about the dream. This is our daily experience. But in my awakening stage or dreaming stage, I am seeing both the activities. In the dream, I am the seer, and so-called awake, I am the seer. So I, the spirit soul, experiencing, I remain the same, but circumstances change. Similarly, in our previous birth, what I was, what you were, we cannot remember. Similarly, you do not know what you are going to become next. But it is a fact that I am, as spirit soul, I am eternal, present. I was present in the past, I am present in the present time, and I’ll continue to be present in future. That is explained in Bhagavad-gītā, that “Arjuna, yourself, Myself, and all these persons who have assembled in this battlefield, all of us, we were existing before, we are existing now, and we shall continue to exist.” Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre. This is the first, preliminary knowledge of understanding spiritual life, that “I am eternal.” Na jāyate na mriyate vā kadācin. As spirit soul, I do not take birth, neither I do die. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre. I am not finished with the destruction of this material body. That is going on already. My childhood body is destroyed now. You cannot find out where is that body. My youthhood body, that is destroyed. We cannot find out anymore. So in this way, this body will be also destroyed, and we shall get another body. Tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati. In this way we are changing body, one after another. So why there are different types of body? That means the living entity, spirit soul, he is contacting different types of material modes of nature. And according to that, we are developing a gross body. The transmigration of the soul means the gross body is lost. Because anything material, it will be finished. That is the nature of material, anything material: it will be finished. But the spirit soul is not finished.