Prabhupāda: You do not know, because as you say you are here, here your coat is there, your pant is there, your hand is there, your body is there, but you cannot explain where you are. All right. Sit down. I shall explain. [laughter] This is the defect of modern education. We are educated in a way in which we have misunderstood, “This is my body. This is my hand. This is my leg. This is my country. This is my mother. This is my father. This is my school.” “This is my,” I know. I have the concept of “my.” But who is conceiving “my”? We have no information where it is. In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is said that yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke. Under misconception we understand my body as myself. I say, “It is my body,” but I misidentify my body with myself. Is it not?

Now Vyāsadeva is discussing different kinds of literature. So he has explained that any literature, however nicely prepared from rhetorical point of view, or poetical, metaphorical, grammatical, but if there is no information of the Absolute Truth, such literatures are useless and no saintly person will take any interest in such literature. They give it up. Just like the swans, they do not take pleasure in a place where the crows can take pleasure. As there is distinction between the crows and the swans, even in the bird’s kingdom, or even in the animal kingdom… You’ll find always. The different kinds of varieties of birds and beasts, they live together. Similarly, those who are saintly persons, those who are Kṛṣṇa conscious persons, their taste is different from the persons who are just like crows. Crows are interested in things… Carvita-carvaṇānām. Prahlāda Mahārāja says, “chewing the chewed.” Already it has been chewed, and if somebody wants to try it, “Let me see. What is the taste there?” it is useless labor only.

Prabhupāda: No, Guru Maharaj-ji is a rascal. Don’t, don’t take his name. He’s not even a human being. [laughter] But we cannot compare Christ with Guru Maharaj. He, he’s… Yogeśvara: No, but still, the argument… Prabhupāda: The argument, nothing. He’s to be simply kicked on his face. That’s all. Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Haribol. Prabhupāda: He has no other qualification, this Guru Maharaj. People have become so lower in intelligence that they are dealing with him. You see? They are not even equal to our shoes. You should not utter his name. But Lord Jesus Christ’s position is different. We cannot compare with this rascal. He’s recognized God’s man, Jesus Christ. And what is this rascal? Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: One of the Ten Commandments, Śrīla Prabhupāda, is that one should not take the name of God in vain. And they argue that when we chant the holy name, they say, “You are chanting, chanting, chanting all the time, but this is taking the name in vain.” Prabhupāda: Why vain? Don’t you find difference between you and me? Why it is vain? Don’t you find what is the difference between you and me? So I… “Do you think that I am a foolish man, that I am chanting, ‘Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa’ without any profit? So you can think, because you are a rascal, but I know my business.” Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Jaya. Prabhupāda: You should reply like that.

Prabhupāda: Oh, sandeśa. It is milk preparation. Give him one more. No, no. This sandeśa, you give him one more. [M. Mesman laughs] So our recommendation is, “Don’t kill cow.” Take milk and make thousands of preparation, all nutritious and very healthy. They do not know how to use cow. Instead of killing, if we take, let the animal live and give us milk, and from the milk we make hundreds of preparation. The milk is nothing but blood, transformation of blood. So we take the blood by killing the animal, but we do not wish to kill such an important animal, but they take the blood in form of milk and make preparation. And those who are flesh-eaters, let them wait for the death of the cow. Then let them eat the flesh, not living condition. So we are making preparation that keep the cows, protect the cows, and when the cow dies, the flesh-eater may take it away. So he can take the skin, he can take the hoof, he can take the horn, he can take the flesh—everything, whatever he likes—because when it is dead, it is no more useful for us. So the others, who are interested with the skin, in the flesh, in the hoof, they can take it. And they get it free, without any cost. Because after death, we don’t want it.

So the purpose was that this material world is only a manifestation, exhibition, of one-fourth energy of Kṛṣṇa. And within this material world, there are so many universes. And each and every universe, there are so many planets. So this is one of the planets, in which we are living. And in this planet, there are so many cities—Calcutta, Bombay, Madras, Delhi, Paris, London, and so many, hundreds and thousands. And each and every city, there are newspapers. And each newspaper is publishing three, four editions daily. So this is the most insignificant planet, still, there are so many news to hear. Therefore it is said here, śrotavyādīni rājendra nṛṇāṁ santi sahasraśaḥ: “Millions and millions subject matter for hearing.” This is a fact. Every paper is publishing three, four editions daily, especially in the Western countries. So if they have got so much news in the material world in this insignificant planet, just imagine how much news are there in the three-fourth manifestation of His energy. So my Guru Mahārāja said that “You are surprised, Mr. Marabhya, that we are publishing a paper daily. So we can publish every minute a paper. Unfortunately, there is no customer.” They have customer for news in this newspaper, but our news, we have to canvass, “Will you kindly take this? Will you kindly take this?” They are not interested. They’re interested in this material news—radio, paper, magazine, edition after edition. Therefore it is said… This ...

Prabhupāda: Well, they have no spiritual information. That is the… Therefore the first education is to understand what is spirit. Then spiritual knowledge is… They do not know what is spirit. [break] …imāni bhūtāni bhavanti. That is spirit, the original source of everything. This body, original source is the spirit. As soon as the spirit is not there, the body will not grow. They are seeing actually. Therefore the original source is the spirit. Why the dead child does not grow? Or dead young man does not grow? They have not studied, still, what is the cause? If it is chemical, then inject some chemical, if you know, and make it grow. Is there any… Why they cannot do it? Why do they say it is chemical? Chemical you have got in your possession. So inject the dead child and it will grow. Then it is correct. And where is that? Simply bogus propaganda. And we have to accept it. Either they must say that “Yes, it is chemical, but we did not find that chemical.”

Prabhupada: No, any sane man will think. There are so many svāmīs, yogīs coming. They cannot do anything. They remain the same, drug-addicted. Either Guru-ji Maharaj or this or that, Maharishi Yogi. They remain the same rascals. Do they change? That they are observing. That is the wonderful thing. Yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā. If one becomes perfectly Kṛṣṇa conscious, then he is fully surrendered: “I have got everything…” Then he becomes all-perfect. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Sarvair guṇais, all good qualities. Otherwise, what is the meaning of Kṛṣṇa consciousness? He becomes the perfect. And without any greed. All greed is finished. He is satisfied in Kṛṣṇa. He becomes happy. And so long he is… Now he is satisfied to jump like monkey—from this platform, that platform, all temporary, unhappy. Here is your love: jumping. So try to administer this. Especially in your country, [indistinct], and you will remain happy. Otherwise, simply the running car and skyscraper will not make you happy. I think you are already realizing.

Prabhupāda: …our process is: What Kṛṣṇa says, we believe Kṛṣṇa, because He is the supreme authority. Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya. So Kṛṣṇa is the supreme authority, accepted by all ācāryas. In our India the ācāryas are Rāmānujācārya, Śaṅkarācārya, Madhvācārya. They all accepted Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme. Formerly the ācāryas like Vyāsadeva, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, Nārada…; later, Caitanya Mahāprabhu. So all accept Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore we should accept what Kṛṣṇa said, that. Then you are sound. No question of “my religion,” “your religion.” What Kṛṣṇa said, that is sound. So Kṛṣṇa says very simple thing. Our real problem is how to get relief from the material world. One may say, “What is the fault of material world?” The fault is that you may arrange… First of all, there is no happiness. But even though you make some arrangement, still, you are not allowed to stay. Suppose you have made very good arrangement: “I have got very nice house, nice car, very nice family, wife and relatives, and business,” just like that. But where is the guarantee that you shall stay here and enjoy? That is the question. Suppose you have arranged everything; but nature will allow? Nobody can check. You cannot say that “I’ve arranged so nicely for my happiness, and why Yamarāja will take it away from me forcibly? Give me some time to set it up.” “No.” This ...

Prabhupāda: Yes. [break] …in the age of Kali-yuga, difficulties will increase. That’s a fact. Very, very difficult. We have passed only five thousand years, and there is balance of 427,000. Hundreds of years, thousands. [break] …only go back to home, back to Godhead. [break] …has therefore advised that “Don’t be engaged in all this nonsense activities, economic development. Simply become Kṛṣṇa conscious.” [break] …promises that “For such persons who are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, I’ll take charge for their maintenance directly.” Yoga-kṣemaṁ vahāmy aham. [break] …envious of one another. They see that “These people, they do not do anything, and living so comfortably.”

So, one has to suffer or enjoy. There are two things. So that is according to our activities. That we can practically experience. If one is educated, naturally he gets a good position, and if one is criminal, he gets another position. There is no difficulty to understand. So there are two things, dharma and adharma, religiosity and irreligiosity. Religiosity means to abide by the orders of God, and irreligiosity means to disobey the orders of God. That’s all. Simple thing. But in this connection we must know what is the order of God, what is God, how He orders, how to execute, how we become fit for executing orders. These things…, these questions are there, but God is speaking personally, “This is My order,” in the Bhagavad-gītā you’ll find, very simple thing.