Now Kṛṣṇa is explaining to Arjuna the difference between a living entity and the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is very distinct here that both you and Me had many, many, many other appearances and disappearances. “Birth and death,” that is ordinary word. Actually, the word is “appearance and disappearance.” Just like the sun. The sun sets and sun rise. This is our calculation. The sun is there always, twenty-four hours, but to our limited understanding, because we cannot see… Now just, this is sun-setting time. After setting of the sun the people on this part of the world, they will not see the sun. That does not mean that sun is not there. Sun is there, but this part of the world cannot see it, and that we say sunset. Similarly, if this is possible for a material object… sun is nothing but a material object, lump of material matter, very powerful, predominantly fiery. That’s all. Everything in the material world, they’re made of five elements: ether, air, and fire, water, and earth. So in somewhere the earth is predominant, somewhere the air is predominant, somewhere the fire is predominant. So there are innumerable planets, and the sun is one of them. So this is also material object. If it is possible for the material object to disappear and appear within our limited senses, what to speak of God and His devotees. So God does not mean that because He is not visible to our imperfect senses, therefore God has no existence. This is foolishness. God is ...

Everyone is engaged in a particular type of occupational duty. Never mind what is that occupation. You may be a religious priest, you may be a politician, you may be a nationalist, you may be a chemist, you may be a physist[physicist], you may be a philosopher, you may be a businessman, engineer, whatever you may be. It doesn’t matter. You may be Christian, you may be Hindu, you may be dark, you may be white, whatever is there. You have got a particular type of duty. Nobody is without any occupation. Everyone is engaged some sort of duty. The storekeeper is engaged in his business, the factory man is engaged in his business, the lawyer is engaged in his business. Everyone. Sūta Gosvāmī said, ataḥ pumbhir dvija-śreṣṭhā varṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ. There are different kinds of duties according to the different division of the human society. That is a fact. Nobody can deny it. But how one can understand that the duty he is performing is successful? How one can understand? What is the test? You may be whatever you are doing, that doesn’t matter. But how it is tested, that whatever you have done in your whole life, it has become successful. The test is, according to Bhāgavatam, svanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya. Everyone’s duty, the point of perfection is saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam, whether by your duty you have satisfied the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is the duty. Then it is perfect. You are a great scientist? Very good. But if you can prove scientifically ...

The other day we discussed about literature which is very nicely composed from literary point of view, or poetic, or rhetoric. Maybe very nicely… But if there is no description of the Absolute Truth or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, that sort of literature is enjoyed by a class of men who are compared with the crows. That we have discussed. It is simply wasting time, valuable time in the human life, to divert our attention to such ordinary literature. They are called grāmya-kathā. In Sanskrit language it is called grāmya-kathā. Grāmya-kathā means any book, any poetry, or any novel, or any drama… There is some hero and heroine, a man or woman, about their loving affairs, tragedy, comic, like that. Actually, it is grāmya-kathā. The same thing as we are experiencing daily, āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithunam, this eating, sleeping, mating, that’s all. What is the value of such literature? What do you gain by that? No. Simply mental agitation. And if it is sex literature, then it is very appealing. So that means it is something like haviṣya kṛta[?]… Just like if you offer fuel on the fire, the fire will go on and it will, I mean to say, consume as much as you go on giving fuel. But there is no śānti. The fire will never be extinguished. Actually, what we want? What is the mission of our life? What is the aim of our life? We are hankering after śānti, or peace. So that sort of literature will not give us any peace. It will simply agitate the mind.

Prabhupāda: So in another place also it is said, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65], mām evaiṣyasi asaṁśaya [Bg. 18.68]. “If you want to enter in the kingdom of God, then always think of Me,” man-manā, “and you just become My devotee and worship Me and offer your obeisances.” These four principles. It is not difficult. To achieve the kingdom of God is not at all difficult. It is very easy. Anyone can go. But they are not prepared to accept the process. That is their misfortune. Otherwise, always thinking of God. We are thinking something, but the thinking should be turned towards God. That is our teaching. They are always chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. So by uttering the word Kṛṣṇa, immediately you think of Kṛṣṇa. This is the process. It is not difficult at all. And you can always think of, just like these boys have been taught, walking on the street, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma… Just like we have got this. I am talking with you, but two minutes I talk with you, as soon as I stop, I chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma… What is the difficulty? It is simply practice. No difficulty. And simply by chanting the holy name of Kṛṣṇa, everyone can see how these young boys and girls—they are not very old; they have taken to it quite young—but they have forgotten everything. They do not go to cinema, ...

Prabhupāda: What is this nonsense scientific? That is… We reject immediately. What is scientific? A teeny brain, what is their science? Phene bare dhake nate ute. A snake-catcher… There is a kind of snake which has no poison. So he cannot catch even that non-poisonous snake, and he’s trying to catch one cobra. So these scientists, what is their value? What they have done anything contribution to the world for the benefit of the human society? They could not give any relief from the disease, relief from old age, relief from death or birth. These are the real problems. So what is their contribution? They have given some horseless carriage. Again there is problem of power. So what is actually benefit they have done, that this is the benefit from the scientist? Anything they have done, there is counter-disadvantage. This is simply waste of time. Our… We consider our human life is very valuable, and before the next death we should prepare ourself go back to home, back to Godhead. This is our philosophy. We cannot waste a minute time before the next death comes. That is our philosophy. So why should we waste our time, “Where is the moon? Where is sun?” Just have it gist idea, that’s all. [break] …no profit. Suppose the position of the moon is correct according to Bhāgavata or according to the scientist, what benefit we shall get out of it? Whichever may be correct or wrong.

Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa will give all facilities if we are sincerely serving Kṛṣṇa. The government gives all facilities to the government servant. The government gives all facilities to the soldiers. When there is fight, there is scarcity of commodities in the civil life, but there is no scarcity among the soldiers. The first consideration: soldiers. Similarly, those devotees who are fighting against māyā, their facility is first concern. They’re fighting, trying to save the people from the onslaught of material energy. That will be explained. What is next verse? ... Prabhupāda: Yes, now just see how people are being misguided. Throughout the whole world, the education is for economic development. And here it is condemned that one should not waste his time for so-called economic development. Now our preaching is here, and who will accept it? They’ll call us all crazy fellows. We are thinking they are crazy, they’re wasting time for economic development, and they are thinking of us that “These people are crazy. They are doing nothing, escaping.” Escaping, do they not say like that? Nalinīkaṇṭha: Yes. Prabhupāda: This is the position. We are following the footprints of Prahlāda Mahārāja. We are following the instruction. There is no need of economic development. Live nature’s life. Just like other animals, they have no question of economic development. They do not think of economic development. But still they are having the material facilities—eating, ...

Prabhupāda: There are two things. One is your body and the other, the living force which is moving your body. So there is no question of decision; it is already decided. There are two things. But our point is that two things are there—the material body and the moving force. So what we are speaking, we are speaking of the living force, moving force, and people in general, they’re interested with this body. Therefore our subject matter is little difficult for such common man. We are speaking simply on the subject matter of that living force, what is that living force. Our beginning is from that point, that body is different from the living force. And general people, they do not understand. Although they feel that there is living force something, they say it is chemical combination and so on, so on. But that is not the fact. It is a different commodity, material; or it is not material—spiritual identity, which is different from this combination of matter, this body. So it requires little training to understand. Although it is very simple fact, but their brain is very dull, material. They see daily, but still, they propose so many things which is impractical. Just like you said that it is chemical composition and they’re trying to do it in future.

Rāmeśvara: I showed Richard the “Hare Kṛṣṇa People” movie that Yadubara made, and Yamunā mātājī made some prasādam for him to taste. So he’s gotten some introduction already. Richard: Okay. You came here not too many years ago. Did you ever expect that it would grow into what it has over the years? Prabhupāda: We came in 1965. Richard: Eleven years ago. And in a relatively short period of time you’ve managed to gather around you a great number of people. Has it surprised you, or… Prabhupāda: Yes, I did not expect. When I came here I did not expect, because we have got so many strictures, so I did not expect that here the people will accept my proposal. Richard: Your proposal? Prabhupāda: Yes. Because our proposal is “No sinful life.” No illicit sex, no meat-eating, no gambling, no intoxicants. So I did not expect that anyone will accept this proposal. [laughs]

Prabhupāda: The prisoners… Haridāsa Ṭhākura was very well known, so all of them assembled and offered him respect. Haridāsa Ṭhākura blessed them, “Stay in this condition.” [laughs] So they were surprised, that “We offered respect, and the blessing is that ‘Stay in this condition.’ ” Then they were explained, “ ‘Stay in this condition’ means your attitude to offer respect to a Vaiṣṇava.” That was the intent, [chuckling] not that “You stay in the prison house.” Viṣṇu, Vaiṣṇava, offering respect… [break] …ārādhanam. When Pārvatī inquired from Lord Śiva what is the best form of worship, he advised, viṣṇor ārādhanaṁ param: “Oh, to worship Lord Viṣṇu is the best form of…” Then he said, tasmāt parataraṁ devi tadīyānāṁ samarcanam [Padma Purāṇa]: “And greater than viṣṇor ārādhana, Viṣṇu worship, is to worship tadīyānām, anything in connection with Viṣṇu.” Anything… That is Vaiṣṇava. Just like we are worshiping tulasī, tulasī plant. Why tulasī plant? It is a plant only, not even human being. Tadīyānām. Because tulasī is liked by Kṛṣṇa. Tadīyānām. Similarly, anything in connection with Viṣṇu, to worship, that is better than Viṣṇu worship.

Prabhupāda: Prahlāda Mahārāja said there is no necessity for endeavoring for economic development. Very difficult to understand this philosophy. Hari-śauri: People don’t know how they’ll survive if they don’t get money. Prabhupāda: No. We are actual examples. We are not after economic development, but we are after following Kṛṣṇa’s instructions. Nalinīkaṇṭha: People criticize us sometimes because they always see… Prabhupāda: No, what do we care for them? We go on with our own business. Baradrāj: Actually, they are all envious because they see that without working we are getting such nice facility. Prabhupāda: No, we are working, but working for Kṛṣṇa. Baradrāj: Yes. Prabhupāda: That is the difference.

Prabhupāda: “In future.” They’re competing with God, and without being success. Still: “I am God.” What kind of God you are? And foolish men have no sense; they accept such rascals as God. They do not see what is God. How beautiful flowers, how nice arrangement. You cannot manufacture even one fiber, and still you deny God. Mūḍha. He’s speaking, mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram [Bg. 9.10]: “Under My supervision everything is being done.” And you have got experience that unless one supervises, nothing can be done very nicely. So these things are being done under some expert supervision. This part is green, and this part it is red. Two colors are being transferred, transmitted. The flavor is not here, but here. What is this arrangement? There is no brain? Hṛdayānanda: Superintelligence. Prabhupāda: And still the rascals say there is no God. Hari-śauri: “Just chance.” Prabhupāda: No, what a fool they are. Try to expose these fools. But people have lost their reason, brain, everything. Even if we expose, they cannot understand. Still they will stick. Bahulāśva: What is their hope? Prabhupāda: Hope, last hope is to kill them. [makes loud sound with hand or instrument] Baradrāj: Chopping off their… Prabhupāda: Kalki-avatāra. No more teacher, saintly. With sword, cut. Finish. Wholesale massacre. Being killed by God, they get salvation.

This material world is karma-kṛt—you have to do something. Kṛṣṇa has explained that “Without acting, you cannot even maintain your body and soul together.” Śarīra-yātrāpi te na prasiddhyed akarmaṇaḥ. If you become idle, then you cannot even maintain your body. That is the difference between civilized man and uncivilized man or developed country… [child cries] [aside:] Stop that. …developed country and undeveloped country. Just like America. This land was inhabited by the Red Indians. They could not do anything, but the Europeans, when they migrated, they made it so beautiful country. So karma-kṛt, one has to work. This material world is so made. Tṛtīyā karma-saṅgā anyā śaktir īṣyate. In the Padma Purāṇa, Viṣṇu Purāṇa: parasya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport]. God’s energy are varieties. All those varieties are grouped into three divisions. Out of that… Three divisions means taṭasthā-śakti, antarāṅga-śakti, cit-śakti. Taṭasthā-śakti and this external, or this karma-śakti. The… Tṛtīyā śaktiḥ karma-saṅgā anyā. It is mentioned that the spiritual world is just manifestation of cit-śakti, and this material world is creation of material energy or karma-saṅgā, where everyone has to work. Without work, it is said, na hi suptasya siṁhasya praviśanti mukhe mṛgāḥ [Hitopadeśa]. That is very nice example. In the forest the lion is supposed to be the mightiest animal, and he ...