Prabhupāda: …incidences are so described that anyone can remember. And by remembering these incidences, he becomes liberated. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. ¶
Indian man: One thing I want to know, you see, when He was Supreme God, why He created all these līlās? When…, suppose He was sent… ¶
Prabhupāda: What do you mean by Supreme God? ¶
Indian man: Er, He was the Lord of universe. All the… ¶
Prabhupāda: So He cannot do that? ¶
Indian man: No, He can do it. ¶
Prabhupāda: Then? ¶
Indian man: That is…, so He has done. But as He sent Uddhava to Vṛndāvana to know about condition of Vṛndāvana people, even He was God, He knew it, no? ¶
Prabhupāda: No, that is affection. ¶
Indian man: Hmm? ¶
Prabhupāda: That is affection. Just like you go to your friend, you know what he is; still you ask, “How are, you are?” ¶
Indian man: Yes. ¶
Prabhupāda: This is natural. ¶
Indian man: Then he’ll answer. Very affection ¶
Prabhupāda: Yes. ¶
Indian man: But He had also… When He was God, why He had some affection also like that? ¶
Prabhupāda: Oh, that you must know. ¶
Indian man: Māyā… I, I, I say to māyā. ¶
Prabhupāda: No, it is not. Māyā mean affection also. Māyā mean affection also. Māyā has got the meaning of affection. Māyā means illusion; māyā means energy; māyā means affection. Just like we say māyā…, chele rupar[?] māyā. That is affection. ¶
Indian man: [Hindi] affection. ¶
Prabhupāda: So māyā means affection. ¶
Indian man: But when He was born, why should He have māyā? When He is the Supreme God, [Hindi]? ¶
Prabhupāda: [Hindi] Can you control God? By your wording, He’ll not be affected by māyā. ¶
Indian man: No, that means I have… ¶
Prabhupāda: That is God. That is God. He can do anything. He is not under your rules and regulation. Māyā…, māyā…, māyā means… Māyā means…, māyā mukta [Cc. Madhya 24.136] means the illusion. When the māyā is illusion, you have to get you out it. But when the… ¶
Indian man: But what is the differnce between the illusion and māyā? ¶
Prabhupāda: Illusion is forced. But affection is not forced. When father loves child, that is not forced; that is reality. [break] [end] ¶