Morning Walk, partially recorded — March 28, 1974, Bombay

Prabhupāda: …incidences are so described that anyone can remember. And by remembering these incidences, he becomes liberated. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 

Indian man: One thing I want to know, you see, when He was Supreme God, why He created all these līlās? When…, suppose He was sent… 

Prabhupāda: What do you mean by Supreme God? 

Indian man: Er, He was the Lord of universe. All the… 

Prabhupāda: So He cannot do that? 

Indian man: No, He can do it. 

Prabhupāda: Then? 

Indian man: That is…, so He has done. But as He sent Uddhava to Vṛndāvana to know about condition of Vṛndāvana people, even He was God, He knew it, no? 

Prabhupāda: No, that is affection. 

Indian man: Hmm? 

Prabhupāda: That is affection. Just like you go to your friend, you know what he is; still you ask, “How are, you are?” 

Indian man: Yes. 

Prabhupāda: This is natural. 

Indian man: Then he’ll answer. Very affection 

Prabhupāda: Yes. 

Indian man: But He had also… When He was God, why He had some affection also like that? 

Prabhupāda: Oh, that you must know. 

Indian man: Māyā… I, I, I say to māyā. 

Prabhupāda: No, it is not. Māyā mean affection also. Māyā mean affection also. Māyā has got the meaning of affection. Māyā means illusion; māyā means energy; māyā means affection. Just like we say māyā…, chele rupar[?] māyā. That is affection. 

Indian man: [Hindi] affection. 

Prabhupāda: So māyā means affection. 

Indian man: But when He was born, why should He have māyā? When He is the Supreme God, [Hindi]? 

Prabhupāda: [Hindi] Can you control God? By your wording, He’ll not be affected by māyā. 

Indian man: No, that means I have… 

Prabhupāda: That is God. That is God. He can do anything. He is not under your rules and regulation. Māyā…, māyā…, māyā means… Māyā means…, māyā mukta [Cc. Madhya 24.136] means the illusion. When the māyā is illusion, you have to get you out it. But when the… 

Indian man: But what is the differnce between the illusion and māyā? 

Prabhupāda: Illusion is forced. But affection is not forced. When father loves child, that is not forced; that is reality. [break] [end] 

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